Can’t remember how, but I got into it with some maga goon on YouTube last week. Apparently at least a few are still parroting the “Disney movies are all failing now, and it’s because they’re woke” line from like 2022. So many of them broke the $1B mark recently, but in this fact-free era, they can just pretend that they actually lost money after marketing costs or something, especially in a place like YT comments that doesn’t allow links.
I like to tell them that MAGA culture will never result in great art, which is a pretty easy argument to win. I mean, what are they gonna come back with, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Zack Snyder? (Snyder may not himself be MAGA, but his grim, everything-is-shitty worldview certainly reflects it.)
I really don’t get it at all. The original was revolutionary when it was made. The Disney animation was meticulous. I had a 45 of all the songs and I learned every single one of them by heart. When I was six years old! Why this compulsion to mess with perfection?
The Grimm brothers collected more fairy tales than “Little Snow White,” the story Disney used. Hundreds of fairy tales are available for reinterpretation, should anyone care to. For instance, I don’t think they have ever devoted a movie to the great Baba Yaga, who lives in a house on chicken legs. Just for instance. Why the completely unoriginal thinking? But then, that’s always been a problem with Disney. The aesthetic has always been to dumb down and infantilize fairy tales, which has always been my ax to grind with him and his studio.
This version is exactly the opposite -- a remake of a movie that's been consistently popular for decades, and the latest in a *series* of such remakes.
The dwarfs in Snow White are clearly supposed to be supernatural creatures and not humans suffering from dwarfism. Making them CGI abominations isn’t necessary.
Also, none of the original dwarfs are “stereotypes” of little people because there is no stereotype that little people (human version) all live together and work in the mines. Sometimes when people like Peter Dinklage try to use social justice language it’s okay to just say they’re wrong.
I don't understand how they can rewrite the character and storyline of Snow herself for more modern sensibilities, but be constrained by the 1937 depiction of the dwarfs.
> They did controversially replace “Someday My Prince Will Come” with “I Don’t Need No Man (Patriarchy is Evil)” featuring Megan the Stallion and Cardi B, but otherwise, it feels an awful lot like the infamously regressive fairy tale.
I ...I don't know if this is a joke. I honestly can't tell and I don't intend to find out.
So I haven't seen a Rachel Zegler perforfmance ( I just couldn't with Spielberg's West Side Story), but I might have just become a fan after learning about her posts and comments at the Disney convention. Of course, I'm still not gonna waste my time watching this film. Thanks for your service, Rabin.
::a corporation in a capitalist economy whose legal and moral obligation to shareholders is to make as much money as possible::
This is a common mistake (VERY common)—no corporation has a LEGAL obligation to "make money" or "increase shareholder value". According to Legislate.ai, "The 'Business Judgement Rule' affords directors the discretion to act in the manner they deem most appropriate, provided their actions are not tainted by personal conflicts of interest." (https://www.legislate.ai/blog/does-the-law-require-public-companies-to-maximise-shareholder-value , which covers both U.S. and U.K. law.)
Their obligation is to act in the best interests of the corporation as a whole, which can easily include LOSING money if it's in service of ways (like paying for research) to make more money later, hang onto the money it has now, or keep the corporation out of legal and financial trouble so as not to damage or destroy it. If their only value was to "make as much money as possible", then Disney could build unsafe rides in their theme parks, open a child porn division using Disney Kids (assuming they haven't already!), and have every STAR WARS and MCU hero shilling every product under the sun.
Disney might TREAT their old IP as if that's their "legal obligation", but it's not. It's just that they're lazy and only concerned about short-term profitability, which is damaging their longer-term profitability, as we've seen numerous recent examples of....
The live action remakes suck not because of wokeness but because they take great movies and make . . .inferior versions of them, inferior animation, inferior music, inferior voice-acting . .no improvements are made. No-one asked for them.
Personally, I do not HATE Disney, but am annoyed with them. First, their focus for at least the last 30 years has been on defending their IP, even when it went out to Public Domain.
Second they seem more interested in educating than entertaining - which is good if you focus on fundamentals, reading, math, basic social issues - but they focus on niche issues that are guaranteed to tick off a percentage of their potential audience, and that is just not sound business strategy.
If they were really interested in doing BOTH entertaining and educating they should reissue “Song of the South” - it came out a few months after my grandmother read me a few of the stories and I loved it then. Now I know some see it as offensive now (heck, some did THEN) but include bonus features discussing this rather than just squashing it and pretending it doesn’t exist. Otherwise, who will know WHY there is a blue bird on his shoulder?
I hate it (what I’ve seen of it in clips, and from reviews) for both reasons.
Movie making needs to go back to basics. Storytelling and craft, not reliance on current narratives and too many computers obviating the need to know how to actually do cinematography and narrative.
I’m publishing a new weird meta-fictional essay rejection letter thing about this general topic today or tomorrow. You & your audience might really dig it!
Can’t remember how, but I got into it with some maga goon on YouTube last week. Apparently at least a few are still parroting the “Disney movies are all failing now, and it’s because they’re woke” line from like 2022. So many of them broke the $1B mark recently, but in this fact-free era, they can just pretend that they actually lost money after marketing costs or something, especially in a place like YT comments that doesn’t allow links.
I like to tell them that MAGA culture will never result in great art, which is a pretty easy argument to win. I mean, what are they gonna come back with, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Zack Snyder? (Snyder may not himself be MAGA, but his grim, everything-is-shitty worldview certainly reflects it.)
Yes! This about ZackSnyder! 👆
Thank you!
I really don’t get it at all. The original was revolutionary when it was made. The Disney animation was meticulous. I had a 45 of all the songs and I learned every single one of them by heart. When I was six years old! Why this compulsion to mess with perfection?
The Grimm brothers collected more fairy tales than “Little Snow White,” the story Disney used. Hundreds of fairy tales are available for reinterpretation, should anyone care to. For instance, I don’t think they have ever devoted a movie to the great Baba Yaga, who lives in a house on chicken legs. Just for instance. Why the completely unoriginal thinking? But then, that’s always been a problem with Disney. The aesthetic has always been to dumb down and infantilize fairy tales, which has always been my ax to grind with him and his studio.
The original Snow White was a huge risk, too.
This version is exactly the opposite -- a remake of a movie that's been consistently popular for decades, and the latest in a *series* of such remakes.
Exactly. And they are never as good as the originals.
The dwarfs in Snow White are clearly supposed to be supernatural creatures and not humans suffering from dwarfism. Making them CGI abominations isn’t necessary.
Also, none of the original dwarfs are “stereotypes” of little people because there is no stereotype that little people (human version) all live together and work in the mines. Sometimes when people like Peter Dinklage try to use social justice language it’s okay to just say they’re wrong.
I don't understand how they can rewrite the character and storyline of Snow herself for more modern sensibilities, but be constrained by the 1937 depiction of the dwarfs.
> They did controversially replace “Someday My Prince Will Come” with “I Don’t Need No Man (Patriarchy is Evil)” featuring Megan the Stallion and Cardi B, but otherwise, it feels an awful lot like the infamously regressive fairy tale.
I ...I don't know if this is a joke. I honestly can't tell and I don't intend to find out.
So I haven't seen a Rachel Zegler perforfmance ( I just couldn't with Spielberg's West Side Story), but I might have just become a fan after learning about her posts and comments at the Disney convention. Of course, I'm still not gonna waste my time watching this film. Thanks for your service, Rabin.
::a corporation in a capitalist economy whose legal and moral obligation to shareholders is to make as much money as possible::
This is a common mistake (VERY common)—no corporation has a LEGAL obligation to "make money" or "increase shareholder value". According to Legislate.ai, "The 'Business Judgement Rule' affords directors the discretion to act in the manner they deem most appropriate, provided their actions are not tainted by personal conflicts of interest." (https://www.legislate.ai/blog/does-the-law-require-public-companies-to-maximise-shareholder-value , which covers both U.S. and U.K. law.)
Their obligation is to act in the best interests of the corporation as a whole, which can easily include LOSING money if it's in service of ways (like paying for research) to make more money later, hang onto the money it has now, or keep the corporation out of legal and financial trouble so as not to damage or destroy it. If their only value was to "make as much money as possible", then Disney could build unsafe rides in their theme parks, open a child porn division using Disney Kids (assuming they haven't already!), and have every STAR WARS and MCU hero shilling every product under the sun.
Disney might TREAT their old IP as if that's their "legal obligation", but it's not. It's just that they're lazy and only concerned about short-term profitability, which is damaging their longer-term profitability, as we've seen numerous recent examples of....
The only way Disney can make anyone happy now is with a remake of Song of the South. Preferably starring Will Smith.
Uh! 🤦♂️
Zip-a-De-Doo-Dah!
The live action remakes suck not because of wokeness but because they take great movies and make . . .inferior versions of them, inferior animation, inferior music, inferior voice-acting . .no improvements are made. No-one asked for them.
Little known fact: Disney's/Pixar's Rattatouille was based on the Stranglers' Rattus Norvegicus.
So… Nathan liked it?😆
I've been hating Disney for 60 years. Glad to see the rest of the world finally coming round to my point of view. 😎
No thanks. I’ll see it myself and arrive at my own opinion, which I won’t compulsively share with the internet.
Personally, I do not HATE Disney, but am annoyed with them. First, their focus for at least the last 30 years has been on defending their IP, even when it went out to Public Domain.
Second they seem more interested in educating than entertaining - which is good if you focus on fundamentals, reading, math, basic social issues - but they focus on niche issues that are guaranteed to tick off a percentage of their potential audience, and that is just not sound business strategy.
If they were really interested in doing BOTH entertaining and educating they should reissue “Song of the South” - it came out a few months after my grandmother read me a few of the stories and I loved it then. Now I know some see it as offensive now (heck, some did THEN) but include bonus features discussing this rather than just squashing it and pretending it doesn’t exist. Otherwise, who will know WHY there is a blue bird on his shoulder?
I hate it (what I’ve seen of it in clips, and from reviews) for both reasons.
Movie making needs to go back to basics. Storytelling and craft, not reliance on current narratives and too many computers obviating the need to know how to actually do cinematography and narrative.
I’m publishing a new weird meta-fictional essay rejection letter thing about this general topic today or tomorrow. You & your audience might really dig it!