I don't think the audience is just tired of superhero movies. I think we're tired of subpar superhero movies. Whenever I see Infinity War/Endgame, or any of the Iron Man/Captain America MCU movies on TV, I watch them. They were great fun. Lately everyone (writers, producers, etc.) are so enamored with the multiverse concept that they're leaning more on that than they are on the stories themselves. Real world/street-level/popular characters = good. Other worlds/quantum realms/obscure characters = not good. Only recent exceptions I can think of are the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. We're still looking forward to things like the new Daredevil series, Deadpool & Wolverine, hell, even the Fantastic Four. Madame Web, Kraven, not so much. Now if they just made a Vulture movie with Michael Keaton, I'd watch that.
The superhero films that were erased as part of a weird new tax strategy, those all sound more interesting than many of the more recent ones that actually did get released.
Okay, hear me out on this one. I watched Madame Web yesterday and... I didn't hate it. I think the bar had been set so amazingly low before I started it that it was either going to be a hate watch or just annoying. Instead, I found myself getting into the movie itself. While I can recognize elements pulled from other movies and shows (Next, the Final Destination series big time... a friggin logging truck even showed up in one scene, and the old Birds of Prey show from the WB), I generally liked the story. Is Dakota Johnson a compelling lead? No, not really, but there was good chemistry in the cast and worked best as an ensemble. Does everyone in the spider-verse have to have a variation of Spider-Man's costume? Not sure I get that either. But I'm here to say that despite the bad press, even from the stars themselves, I would probably watch this again sometime.
I'm curious what went wrong here, exactly. Was it an interesting idea that got changed around too many times? Or was it never a compelling story, and it just kept being pushed through to completion anyway, out of inertia?
Lots of great Spider-Man movies have come out over the years, and also the Spider-Man adjacent Venom / Carnage films, which seem to have been forbidden from including Spider-Man because licensing is hard. What a ridiculous idea, why bother going through with a movie that operates under such limitations? AND YET, I'm assured they aren't bad, I've heard from people that legitimately enjoy them.
"Madame Web also sounds bad but the others turned out well, you just can never tell, let's just keep going and let the magic of Hollywood turn this idea into a fully entertaining story in the end"
Oh and when did a fat guy play Spider-Man on TV in the 70s? I watched the CBS series and Electric Company Spidey Super Stories back then. Those guys were skinny.
A movie made by people who didn’t want to make it for an audience that actively doesn’t want it. You can feel this movie not existing as you watch it.
I don't think the audience is just tired of superhero movies. I think we're tired of subpar superhero movies. Whenever I see Infinity War/Endgame, or any of the Iron Man/Captain America MCU movies on TV, I watch them. They were great fun. Lately everyone (writers, producers, etc.) are so enamored with the multiverse concept that they're leaning more on that than they are on the stories themselves. Real world/street-level/popular characters = good. Other worlds/quantum realms/obscure characters = not good. Only recent exceptions I can think of are the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. We're still looking forward to things like the new Daredevil series, Deadpool & Wolverine, hell, even the Fantastic Four. Madame Web, Kraven, not so much. Now if they just made a Vulture movie with Michael Keaton, I'd watch that.
The superhero films that were erased as part of a weird new tax strategy, those all sound more interesting than many of the more recent ones that actually did get released.
Okay, hear me out on this one. I watched Madame Web yesterday and... I didn't hate it. I think the bar had been set so amazingly low before I started it that it was either going to be a hate watch or just annoying. Instead, I found myself getting into the movie itself. While I can recognize elements pulled from other movies and shows (Next, the Final Destination series big time... a friggin logging truck even showed up in one scene, and the old Birds of Prey show from the WB), I generally liked the story. Is Dakota Johnson a compelling lead? No, not really, but there was good chemistry in the cast and worked best as an ensemble. Does everyone in the spider-verse have to have a variation of Spider-Man's costume? Not sure I get that either. But I'm here to say that despite the bad press, even from the stars themselves, I would probably watch this again sometime.
I'm curious what went wrong here, exactly. Was it an interesting idea that got changed around too many times? Or was it never a compelling story, and it just kept being pushed through to completion anyway, out of inertia?
Lots of great Spider-Man movies have come out over the years, and also the Spider-Man adjacent Venom / Carnage films, which seem to have been forbidden from including Spider-Man because licensing is hard. What a ridiculous idea, why bother going through with a movie that operates under such limitations? AND YET, I'm assured they aren't bad, I've heard from people that legitimately enjoy them.
"Madame Web also sounds bad but the others turned out well, you just can never tell, let's just keep going and let the magic of Hollywood turn this idea into a fully entertaining story in the end"
Pretty sure it was still better than Peppa Pig, though.
Oh and when did a fat guy play Spider-Man on TV in the 70s? I watched the CBS series and Electric Company Spidey Super Stories back then. Those guys were skinny.
Italian Spider-Man, maybe?
The Turkish 3 Dev Adam Spider-Man had a gut, I guess.